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He was a candy maker by trade, but he did anything he could get to do. He‘s been dead for forty years now. He came down here, then went back to Cham-. pa1~i and died in Springfield, Illinois while I was here.

	“I don‘t get no pension, don‘t get nothing. I get along by taking in a little washing now and then.

	“My mother‘s naine was Eliza Johnson and uiy father‘a naine was Toe J~ohnson. I don‘t know a thing about none of my grandparents. And I don‘t know what my mother‘s naine was before she married.

	“A gentleman what worked on the place where I lived said that if you didn‘t have a pass during slave times, that if the pateroles caught you, they would whip you and make you run back home • He said he had to run through the woods every which way once to keep them from catching him.

	“I have heard the old folks talk about being put on the block. The colored woman I lived with in Champaign told me that they put her on the block and sold her down into Ripley, Mississippi.

	“She said that the way freedom carne was this. The boss man told her she was free. Some of the slaves lived with hirn and some of thora picked up and went on off somewhere.

	“The Ku Klux never bothered me. I have heard soins of the colored people say how they used to come ‘round and bother the church $ervices looking for this one and that one.

	“I don‘t know what to say about these young folks. I declare, they have just gone wild. They are almost getting like brutes.~ A woman come by here the other day without more ‘n. a spoonful of things on and stopped and struck a match and lit her cigarette. You can‘t talk to them neither0 I don‘t know what we ought to do about it. They let these white men run around with them. I see ‘em doing anythin€. I think times are bad and gettin~ worse.